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Hi
As we all know that dhangar community trying to get the benefit of ST
category since 10-15 years .
Recently one of their group met to Mr. Sharad Pawar regarding this
matter . Mr.Sharard Pawar has assured them that he would try to do
something for their request . Also he told that many of the cabinet
members belong to ST are not agree to make dhangar community as a part
of ST category .
dhangar community first fought for getting benefit of NT in 1990 .
they got it . now they are trying to get the benefit of ST . we have to
fight against it .
From any point of view dhangar community can not be a part of ST
category . they cannot fullfil the criteria for ST category . they chose
ST category becz there is lot of facility and no tough compition for
getting these facilities . why they don't chose either SC or OBC .
plz forward this message to all members in this group as well as other
people .
This is the right time to wake up and oppose it .
Ho agadi barobar aahe sandeep che.
Aaplya adivasi samajat ya vishayi jaagruti karayala havi. Aapan nako tya
vishayavar concentrate karanya evaji je kharokhar mahatvache vishay
aahet asha prashanana mahtv devun aplya leader lokanchya laxat aanun
dyayala have, kiva jar leaders active nasatil tar tase active leaders na
promote kele pahije, te samaj hita kade lax detil
Aani rahila vishay settled adivasi cha.. ho barobar aahe, aplyatach dari
padat aahet, shaharatrala adivasi kiva yojana kiva savaltincha upyog
karun aalele... mala sangayala khant hote aahe ki hi ashi manase
svatahala adivasi samaja pasun vegale aahot ase samajtat. Ashi apexa
aahe ki je arthik drushtya settle aahet ashani svatahun yojana aani
savalati garajun dyavayat.
Aani adivasi samajachya yojana aani soyi jar kuni gair vapar karat asel
tar ashancha sagalya adivai samajane ekjutine virodh karayla hava.
Aani tarun pidhide khas karun hya sagalya goshtincha gambhiryane vichar
karayala hava. Ugachach ekhadi sangatana kiva party chya bhashan baaji
var jaaun apale life, career vaaya ghalavu naka.... Je apalya life sathi
garajeche aahe te aapalya parent sathi aani aaplya samaja sathi
mahtvaache aahe te kara... [ career, education, tribal art, tribal
culture , etc]
Hi auysh
well i m agree wid all of u...
bt ek don points mi ankhi jodat ahe
the bogus sts r everywhere whole india, the problem is more sever then it
seems ...
some bogus sts claiimg st certifictaes..fight wid them still on nagpur me
abhihi ek morch hua...morcha salo se chal rah hai dont knwo kya hoga:
1) *Maharshtra: Kosti* (taken 95000 jobs all over in central govt, state
even ..validity hai isliye state ki jobs bach gayi bt psu me bank me railway
me wo hi log hai..even at here ar delhi they r in top positions..director
tak ho gaye hai..its been from 1990-94 they strted 2 make fake cast
certificate..which is piece of cake
still dont know abt kolis in western marhstra , mahadev koilis r genuine
right?
2) *Rajsthan *: Not all meenas r genune tribes...why gujjar r burning so
much bcoz meenas the bogus one is very rich communilty like gujjar so when
they got 2 know that these meenas also getting so why nt us...so railway me
jo meena dikhte hai nt necessary that they r genuine
3) *UP/BIHAR/MP* : up/bihar me i thnk 10 se uper cast ko st me shamil kiya
gaya..unmese 2-3 non tribes ha ..and udhar bogus certificat eleke kiten log
roz aish karte hai..even at mp/cg many guptas/sharmas r making fake
cetifictaes as ther is no provision for validity certficate like in
maharshtra........i have seen bunches of bogus people in trible devlopmnt
office...unhone office bhi jalaya tha...kuch nahi hua........
see dewar ko andar se majboot nahi hogi to koi na koi crack karke gira
dega.....so its obious that trible khud hi majbut nahi to logo ka ghusna
swabhivik hai..its natural ....
bcoz mahgai bahdh rahi hai job nahi hai so koi bhi hoga to ghusega hi its on
us 2 make this wall solid by unity, laws, awerness and knowing our culture
and fight!!
(lihalya khup ahe pan wachnak kon manunh namskar viarm detoy)
Dear ayush, sachin n sandipchya matanshi mi sahmat aahe..
aaplya rajkaranyani britishanchi rit ajun sodleli nahi. Tyamule matanvar dola thevun asale rajkarni kontya tharala pochtil yacha nem nahi. sadhya tari aadivasi bandhav pahije titake ekvtalele nahit. Aapan aapla paya ajun bhakkam karava jenekarun pudhachya kalat asalya sanktana tond dene sahaj shyak hoyil...
skmali
Please send your opinion, what do you think about bellow topic
Regards
Mail by Santosh Nirmal Hi
As we all know that dhangar community trying to get the benefit of ST
category since 10-15 years .
Recently one of their group met to Mr. Sharad Pawar regarding this
matter . Mr.Sharard Pawar has assured them that he would try to do
something for their request . Also he told that many of the cabinet
members belong to ST are not agree to make dhangar community as a part
of ST category .
dhangar community first fought for getting benefit of NT in 1990 .
they got it . now they are trying to get the benefit of ST . we have to
fight against it .
From any point of view dhangar community can not be a part of ST
category . they cannot fullfil the criteria for ST category . they chose
ST category becz there is lot of facility and no tough compition for
getting these facilities . why they don't chose either SC or OBC .
plz forward this message to all members in this group as well as other
people .
This is the right time to wake up and oppose it .
if there is any suggestion regarding this purpose pass it to every one
reply by sandeep sathe -
yes! you are right! competition in st category in maharashtra is not
that much tough..and v r not united (all adivasis in maharashtra) so
anyone stands and demands for st status....we should learn from meenas
of rajasthan as they strongly oppose the gujjars who demands for st
status.....in present dhangars are in NT(C or D)and nt category alone
get benefits about 10%......so why r they demands such a demand
?because they r wellknown that adivasis in maharashtra are not united
and strong enough....v should strongly oppose this type of
acts...otherwise garib adivasi namshesh jhalyashivay rahnaar nahi.....
anyway, i think ,now its time to give the more cheance to poor
adivasis instead of well settelled tribals...hotay kay ki shrimant
aani syhikalelya adivasi palkanchich mulaa pudhe jataayat...aani garib
pan hushar students poor family backgroundmule mage padtayat,,tyala
anek karna aahet pan te jast motha vicharach karu shakat nahit..karat
nahit..
so v should give most priority to such tribal student..-(its my personal view)
Thanks and regards.
sathe sandeep.
that much tough..and v r not united (all adivasis in maharashtra) so
anyone stands and demands for st status....we should learn from meenas
of rajasthan as they strongly oppose the gujjars who demands for st
status.....in present dhangars are in NT(C or D)and nt category alone
get benefits about 10%......so why r they demands such a demand
?because they r wellknown that adivasis in maharashtra are not united
and strong enough....v should strongly oppose this type of
acts...otherwise garib adivasi namshesh jhalyashivay rahnaar nahi.....
anyway, i think ,now its time to give the more cheance to poor
adivasis instead of well settelled tribals...hotay kay ki shrimant
aani syhikalelya adivasi palkanchich mulaa pudhe jataayat...aani garib
pan hushar students poor family backgroundmule mage padtayat,,tyala
anek karna aahet pan te jast motha vicharach karu shakat nahit..karat
nahit..
so v should give most priority to such tribal student..-(its my personal view)
Thanks and regards.
sathe sandeep.
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megha vhanmane | |||||
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ya, i am agree with that!
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Sachin | |||||
Ho agadi barobar aahe sandeep che.
Aaplya adivasi samajat ya vishayi jaagruti karayala havi. Aapan nako tya
vishayavar concentrate karanya evaji je kharokhar mahatvache vishay
aahet asha prashanana mahtv devun aplya leader lokanchya laxat aanun
dyayala have, kiva jar leaders active nasatil tar tase active leaders na
promote kele pahije, te samaj hita kade lax detil
Aani rahila vishay settled adivasi cha.. ho barobar aahe, aplyatach dari
padat aahet, shaharatrala adivasi kiva yojana kiva savaltincha upyog
karun aalele... mala sangayala khant hote aahe ki hi ashi manase
svatahala adivasi samaja pasun vegale aahot ase samajtat. Ashi apexa
aahe ki je arthik drushtya settle aahet ashani svatahun yojana aani
savalati garajun dyavayat.
Aani adivasi samajachya yojana aani soyi jar kuni gair vapar karat asel
tar ashancha sagalya adivai samajane ekjutine virodh karayla hava.
Aani tarun pidhide khas karun hya sagalya goshtincha gambhiryane vichar
karayala hava. Ugachach ekhadi sangatana kiva party chya bhashan baaji
var jaaun apale life, career vaaya ghalavu naka.... Je apalya life sathi
garajeche aahe te aapalya parent sathi aani aaplya samaja sathi
mahtvaache aahe te kara... [ career, education, tribal art, tribal
culture , etc]
Aapala adivasi samaj bhavishyatalya spardhet yashashvi pane tikava hi
apexa!
apexa!
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Prakash bhalavi | |||||
Hi auysh
well i m agree wid all of u...
bt ek don points mi ankhi jodat ahe
the bogus sts r everywhere whole india, the problem is more sever then it
seems ...
some bogus sts claiimg st certifictaes..fight wid them still on nagpur me
abhihi ek morch hua...morcha salo se chal rah hai dont knwo kya hoga:
1) *Maharshtra: Kosti* (taken 95000 jobs all over in central govt, state
even ..validity hai isliye state ki jobs bach gayi bt psu me bank me railway
me wo hi log hai..even at here ar delhi they r in top positions..director
tak ho gaye hai..its been from 1990-94 they strted 2 make fake cast
certificate..which is piece of cake
still dont know abt kolis in western marhstra , mahadev koilis r genuine
right?
2) *Rajsthan *: Not all meenas r genune tribes...why gujjar r burning so
much bcoz meenas the bogus one is very rich communilty like gujjar so when
they got 2 know that these meenas also getting so why nt us...so railway me
jo meena dikhte hai nt necessary that they r genuine
3) *UP/BIHAR/MP* : up/bihar me i thnk 10 se uper cast ko st me shamil kiya
gaya..unmese 2-3 non tribes ha ..and udhar bogus certificat eleke kiten log
roz aish karte hai..even at mp/cg many guptas/sharmas r making fake
cetifictaes as ther is no provision for validity certficate like in
maharshtra........i have seen bunches of bogus people in trible devlopmnt
office...unhone office bhi jalaya tha...kuch nahi hua........
see dewar ko andar se majboot nahi hogi to koi na koi crack karke gira
dega.....so its obious that trible khud hi majbut nahi to logo ka ghusna
swabhivik hai..its natural ....
bcoz mahgai bahdh rahi hai job nahi hai so koi bhi hoga to ghusega hi its on
us 2 make this wall solid by unity, laws, awerness and knowing our culture
and fight!!
(lihalya khup ahe pan wachnak kon manunh namskar viarm detoy)
prakash bhalavi(gond)
faridabad
haryana
faridabad
haryana
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Santosh nirmal | |||||
Ok all is right
can i get the information about dhangar in other states with their
reservation.
becz 2 points they are rising
1. There is a dhanvar in ST which is bymistake , actual it is a dhangar .
but it is not right dhanvar community is exist, dhanvar and dhangar are two
different communities .
2 . They also saying that other states's dhangar are in ST category . but i
think they are not , some are in OBC some are in open also . very few of
them in ST in different states , but i am confuse about it .so if anyone has
a right information about it plz give it here .
can i get the information about dhangar in other states with their
reservation.
becz 2 points they are rising
1. There is a dhanvar in ST which is bymistake , actual it is a dhangar .
but it is not right dhanvar community is exist, dhanvar and dhangar are two
different communities .
2 . They also saying that other states's dhangar are in ST category . but i
think they are not , some are in OBC some are in open also . very few of
them in ST in different states , but i am confuse about it .so if anyone has
a right information about it plz give it here .
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Santosh mali | |||||
Dear ayush, sachin n sandipchya matanshi mi sahmat aahe..
aaplya rajkaranyani britishanchi rit ajun sodleli nahi. Tyamule matanvar dola thevun asale rajkarni kontya tharala pochtil yacha nem nahi. sadhya tari aadivasi bandhav pahije titake ekvtalele nahit. Aapan aapla paya ajun bhakkam karava jenekarun pudhachya kalat asalya sanktana tond dene sahaj shyak hoyil...
skmali
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Mandar phanse | |||||
Mahadeo koli - Malhar koli - Halba koshti yaa vishayaancha kaay zaala ?
Te hi asech pending nirnay aahet kaa?
Yaa shivaay - NT - madhalya varga vaarit - paaradhi samaajaa pramaanech - ramoshi samaaj swikrut zalaa naa?
Shevati - tribe kuthali hi aso....maagas nikash laavun kaai to nirnay gheun sarkar ne "vikas"kaaryakram raabavana mahatvacha aahe. Aani he karyakram- je atta suddha aahetach- te yuva adivasi saarkhya chalvaline taabyaat ghyaylaa haavet- khari "mekh"ithech aahe....he sagale karyakram sadhyaa kuna na kuna "pilavanuk"karnaarya yantranan kade aahet.
Regards, mandar
Te hi asech pending nirnay aahet kaa?
Yaa shivaay - NT - madhalya varga vaarit - paaradhi samaajaa pramaanech - ramoshi samaaj swikrut zalaa naa?
Shevati - tribe kuthali hi aso....maagas nikash laavun kaai to nirnay gheun sarkar ne "vikas"kaaryakram raabavana mahatvacha aahe. Aani he karyakram- je atta suddha aahetach- te yuva adivasi saarkhya chalvaline taabyaat ghyaylaa haavet- khari "mekh"ithech aahe....he sagale karyakram sadhyaa kuna na kuna "pilavanuk"karnaarya yantranan kade aahet.
Regards, mandar
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Sandeep sathe | |||||
yes, i agree with prakash view on fake (bogus) tribals....i heard and
read about that in newspapers...but not fully known about that .... in
maharashtra thare r around 70000 thousands govt and semi govt servants
r bogus tribals....during 1995-2000 mostly bogus adivasi
certificatescha atirek jhalaa aani tyalaa tyavelachya sena-bjp govtne
neglect kelyamule ashya bogus adivasi lokanna mokalla ran
milalla....tyamulech validity certificates cumpulsory kelaa
govtne...pan tyacha pan implementation hot nahi nit....majhyach
officemadhye me bogus adivasi cases pahilyat....tyaveli tyanni paise
devoon cast certificates milavali aani tyacha fayda ghetalaa...aani
aatta validity magitalyavar kalala ki tyanni fake certificates dili
hoti....pan karvai kay shunya....tyanchyavar kahich karvai nahi...he
asach hot rahnaar asel tar tyacha gairphayda ghenare aahet
barech.....mage sarvaa adivasi MLA ni avaaj uthavalla hota pan mashi
kuthe shinkali mahit nahi......tyach veli jar sarva adivasi aamdaranni
resignchi dhamki jari dili asati tari kahitari karvai jhali
asati...pan swabhimaan navachi chijach nahi rahili....jo to party
highcommand kay bolel mhanun kahich bolat nahi...tyamule ase bogus
adivasi govt servant ujal mathyane baher firtayat.....madhye madhye
adivasi ekta parishad bogus adivasincha issue uchalte tevha ha issue
highlight hoto...nahitar konala kahich padleli nahi....aani govt pan
tyanna pathishi ghaltey.....tyacha sarva adivasinni kadadun virodh
karayla pahije hota... pan kelaa nahi aani tyachi phale
bhogtoy....ajunhi vel geleli nahi sarva adivasinni ashya goshtinna
prakhar virodh kelaa pahije...prasangi rastyavar utraychi tayari
havi....anyatha hyapudhe ratra vairyachi aahe....
aani rajasthanchya meenas baddal bolaycha tar tyanna st status
1950 pasunach milalay....aani tyacha tyanni purepur phayda
ghetlaa...nowdays situation is that there is no such competetive exam
conduct bye central govt where meenas are absent....st category
resultsmadhye phakta meenach distaat...tyamage tyanchi mehnatpan asali
pahije...aapan pan swatatryapasun reservationcha phayda ghetoy...pan
swatantryanantar maharashtratalya kiti tribals civil services armed
forces madhye gele.....uttar hatachya botavar mojata yetil evadhech
gele asatil....karan aaplyala sagla kasa instant pahije.....dhormehnat
karayla sangitali tr kitihi karu shaktoo...pan smart work mhanje tich
mehnat ashya thikani lavu ki jyamule jast benefits hotil .....tithech
adivasi kami padtooo....w should have our own vision..
majhya mahitinusar jamoo and kashmirmadhye aani himachalpradesh
madhye dhangars are getting benifited by ST status....
maharashtrat aatta koli lokapan demand karaylaa laglit ki aamhala
ST status dya mhanun...gelya varshi tyanni motha morcha dhule district
officevar kadhlaa hotaa ST status milavanyasathi...tyaveles police
firingpan jhalaa hotaa aani tyat don koli tarunancha mrutyu jhala
hotaa mhanje te lok marYla pan tayar jhalet...aani aaplyala sadha
prasnapan mahit nahi...
dusryanda rply denyamager evadhach karan aahe ki ha prasna motha
gambhir aahe....aadhich aapale aadivasibandhav ajunhi main pravHat
yevoo shaklelaa nahi tyamage barich karana asu shaktil...pan halu halu
pharak padtoy aani tyatach he baherache lok aali tar mag matra kahi
kharr nahi....
...So guys and gals please rise and do some good work for our society...
Thanks and Regards,
sathe sandeep.
read about that in newspapers...but not fully known about that .... in
maharashtra thare r around 70000 thousands govt and semi govt servants
r bogus tribals....during 1995-2000 mostly bogus adivasi
certificatescha atirek jhalaa aani tyalaa tyavelachya sena-bjp govtne
neglect kelyamule ashya bogus adivasi lokanna mokalla ran
milalla....tyamulech validity certificates cumpulsory kelaa
govtne...pan tyacha pan implementation hot nahi nit....majhyach
officemadhye me bogus adivasi cases pahilyat....tyaveli tyanni paise
devoon cast certificates milavali aani tyacha fayda ghetalaa...aani
aatta validity magitalyavar kalala ki tyanni fake certificates dili
hoti....pan karvai kay shunya....tyanchyavar kahich karvai nahi...he
asach hot rahnaar asel tar tyacha gairphayda ghenare aahet
barech.....mage sarvaa adivasi MLA ni avaaj uthavalla hota pan mashi
kuthe shinkali mahit nahi......tyach veli jar sarva adivasi aamdaranni
resignchi dhamki jari dili asati tari kahitari karvai jhali
asati...pan swabhimaan navachi chijach nahi rahili....jo to party
highcommand kay bolel mhanun kahich bolat nahi...tyamule ase bogus
adivasi govt servant ujal mathyane baher firtayat.....madhye madhye
adivasi ekta parishad bogus adivasincha issue uchalte tevha ha issue
highlight hoto...nahitar konala kahich padleli nahi....aani govt pan
tyanna pathishi ghaltey.....tyacha sarva adivasinni kadadun virodh
karayla pahije hota... pan kelaa nahi aani tyachi phale
bhogtoy....ajunhi vel geleli nahi sarva adivasinni ashya goshtinna
prakhar virodh kelaa pahije...prasangi rastyavar utraychi tayari
havi....anyatha hyapudhe ratra vairyachi aahe....
aani rajasthanchya meenas baddal bolaycha tar tyanna st status
1950 pasunach milalay....aani tyacha tyanni purepur phayda
ghetlaa...nowdays situation is that there is no such competetive exam
conduct bye central govt where meenas are absent....st category
resultsmadhye phakta meenach distaat...tyamage tyanchi mehnatpan asali
pahije...aapan pan swatatryapasun reservationcha phayda ghetoy...pan
swatantryanantar maharashtratalya kiti tribals civil services armed
forces madhye gele.....uttar hatachya botavar mojata yetil evadhech
gele asatil....karan aaplyala sagla kasa instant pahije.....dhormehnat
karayla sangitali tr kitihi karu shaktoo...pan smart work mhanje tich
mehnat ashya thikani lavu ki jyamule jast benefits hotil .....tithech
adivasi kami padtooo....w should have our own vision..
majhya mahitinusar jamoo and kashmirmadhye aani himachalpradesh
madhye dhangars are getting benifited by ST status....
maharashtrat aatta koli lokapan demand karaylaa laglit ki aamhala
ST status dya mhanun...gelya varshi tyanni motha morcha dhule district
officevar kadhlaa hotaa ST status milavanyasathi...tyaveles police
firingpan jhalaa hotaa aani tyat don koli tarunancha mrutyu jhala
hotaa mhanje te lok marYla pan tayar jhalet...aani aaplyala sadha
prasnapan mahit nahi...
dusryanda rply denyamager evadhach karan aahe ki ha prasna motha
gambhir aahe....aadhich aapale aadivasibandhav ajunhi main pravHat
yevoo shaklelaa nahi tyamage barich karana asu shaktil...pan halu halu
pharak padtoy aani tyatach he baherache lok aali tar mag matra kahi
kharr nahi....
...So guys and gals please rise and do some good work for our society...
Thanks and Regards,
sathe sandeep.
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Santosh nirmal | |||||
Hi Friends .
It's really nice to see good response for this mail .
One think i want to clear and that is we have to wake up . is there any case
of "BOGUS ADIVASI" please pass one letter to Uttam khobragade he is now
Principal Secretary - Tribal Development Department , and he is a very good
and honest person . so mail him ( you will get mail id on
http://www.mahatribal.gov.in/) . with detail information about it specially
for such a case who get caste validity and he is not from ST . don't afried
, If everyone think that let other do it , then it will become very
difficult to solve such type of problems . but we have to concentrate on
forcoming problem and that is Dhangar trying to enter in ST . This is a
major problem at this moment , because they are very advance people , if
they success then they totally get all benefit of ST . so keep passing
letters to tribal department , cheif minister , and all MLAs in ST category
, it will create a pressure on government . if they Continually get such
letters from all over maharashtra then it will create positive environment
for us . don't limit upto our caste only, think for all castes in ST . In
2003 or 2004 when sushilkumar shinde (he was CM at that time ) decide to
merge dhangar in ST then all ST peoples in maharshtra woke up , we made a
power presentation , this is what we want to do . at that time we made a
rally from shanivarwada to collector office in pune . at that time all
people from ST category involved . so try to give articals in newpapers ,
do all think which create pressure on government , remember one think we are
not doing anything wrong , we just fighting for our category , so don't
afried , and keep this mailing continue.
Bye
It's really nice to see good response for this mail .
One think i want to clear and that is we have to wake up . is there any case
of "BOGUS ADIVASI" please pass one letter to Uttam khobragade he is now
Principal Secretary - Tribal Development Department , and he is a very good
and honest person . so mail him ( you will get mail id on
http://www.mahatribal.gov.in/) . with detail information about it specially
for such a case who get caste validity and he is not from ST . don't afried
, If everyone think that let other do it , then it will become very
difficult to solve such type of problems . but we have to concentrate on
forcoming problem and that is Dhangar trying to enter in ST . This is a
major problem at this moment , because they are very advance people , if
they success then they totally get all benefit of ST . so keep passing
letters to tribal department , cheif minister , and all MLAs in ST category
, it will create a pressure on government . if they Continually get such
letters from all over maharashtra then it will create positive environment
for us . don't limit upto our caste only, think for all castes in ST . In
2003 or 2004 when sushilkumar shinde (he was CM at that time ) decide to
merge dhangar in ST then all ST peoples in maharshtra woke up , we made a
power presentation , this is what we want to do . at that time we made a
rally from shanivarwada to collector office in pune . at that time all
people from ST category involved . so try to give articals in newpapers ,
do all think which create pressure on government , remember one think we are
not doing anything wrong , we just fighting for our category , so don't
afried , and keep this mailing continue.
Bye
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Completely agree with Santosh.
reply by chetan guroda | |||||||||||||||||||
how can one decides to decalre themselves as tribal? or switch over from one
community to another?
this is ridiculous and we should oppose this.
community to another?
this is ridiculous and we should oppose this.
what do you thing about above topic?
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